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	<title>Comments on: Home Fileserver: I’ll use ZFS</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/home-fileserver-i%e2%80%99ll-use-zfs/comment-page-1/#comment-2623</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi uman,

From memory, with Mac OS X 10.5.1 it was possible to use non-Apple devices (read Time Capsule) with Time Machine, but once Apple released Time Capsule and 10.5.2 was released, this was no longer possible. Since I discovered that unfortunate fact, I have not tried again to get Time Machine writing to my ZFS storage pool across the network.

Until this changes, one possibility, of course, is to just use the Mac for running applications, and write all your user data to the storage available on your ZFS NAS, which is mounted as a share on your Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi uman,</p>
<p>From memory, with Mac OS X 10.5.1 it was possible to use non-Apple devices (read Time Capsule) with Time Machine, but once Apple released Time Capsule and 10.5.2 was released, this was no longer possible. Since I discovered that unfortunate fact, I have not tried again to get Time Machine writing to my ZFS storage pool across the network.</p>
<p>Until this changes, one possibility, of course, is to just use the Mac for running applications, and write all your user data to the storage available on your ZFS NAS, which is mounted as a share on your Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: uman</title>
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		<dc:creator>uman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,

Would it be possible to use a ZFS NAS as a Mac backup (preferably with Time Machine)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>Would it be possible to use a ZFS NAS as a Mac backup (preferably with Time Machine)?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Bogey!

All I can say is this: ZFS will work on a 32-bit processor like the Pentium 4, with limited RAM. But for around $300 or so, excluding disks, you can have a superb machine -- see the bottom of the ZFS hardware page. Basically, ZFS loves 64-bit processors and lots of RAM, which costs around $20 per gigabyte these days. So in the end, the solution you choose is down to how much you want to spend, and how much you value your data and access to it. Only you can make that decision. Either way, I&#039;d love to hear what you decide and how it turns out. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Bogey!</p>
<p>All I can say is this: ZFS will work on a 32-bit processor like the Pentium 4, with limited RAM. But for around $300 or so, excluding disks, you can have a superb machine &#8212; see the bottom of the ZFS hardware page. Basically, ZFS loves 64-bit processors and lots of RAM, which costs around $20 per gigabyte these days. So in the end, the solution you choose is down to how much you want to spend, and how much you value your data and access to it. Only you can make that decision. Either way, I&#8217;d love to hear what you decide and how it turns out. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Bogey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting... I shall read the other blog posts in this series. 

But, maybe someone can answer me this. I have an old, unused, Pentium 4 box with around (I think) 512Mb (maybe even 1Gb - it&#039;s been a while since I even powered it up) that I haven&#039;t had the heart to toss out. Last time I played with it it seemed to run Ubuntu ok. Is this likely to be enough for a ZFS server or should I just go out and by a cheap(ish) tower with a reliable motherboard and space for 4+ SATA drives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230; I shall read the other blog posts in this series. </p>
<p>But, maybe someone can answer me this. I have an old, unused, Pentium 4 box with around (I think) 512Mb (maybe even 1Gb &#8211; it&#8217;s been a while since I even powered it up) that I haven&#8217;t had the heart to toss out. Last time I played with it it seemed to run Ubuntu ok. Is this likely to be enough for a ZFS server or should I just go out and by a cheap(ish) tower with a reliable motherboard and space for 4+ SATA drives?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@goodb0fh: OK, I didn&#039;t know that. Yes, I&#039;m hoping OS X 10.6 will use ZFS as standard too. Then they can reduce the Time Machine code to about 20 lines from a lot more, and hopefully make it open so that the proprietary Time Capsule is not the only option in Town for doing off-box backups :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@goodb0fh: OK, I didn&#8217;t know that. Yes, I&#8217;m hoping OS X 10.6 will use ZFS as standard too. Then they can reduce the Time Machine code to about 20 lines from a lot more, and hopefully make it open so that the proprietary Time Capsule is not the only option in Town for doing off-box backups <img src='http://breden.org.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: goodb0fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodb0fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a FYI, one of the lead programmers on ZFS from Sun is now working for Apple.  I forgot her name, but I expect extremely cool things on OSX/ZFS now.  And with opensolaris now capable of booting from zfs, hopefully when 10.6 gets released, OSX will boot off zfs as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a FYI, one of the lead programmers on ZFS from Sun is now working for Apple.  I forgot her name, but I expect extremely cool things on OSX/ZFS now.  And with opensolaris now capable of booting from zfs, hopefully when 10.6 gets released, OSX will boot off zfs as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex Blewitt:

I&#039;m glad to hear that the macosforge ZFS implementation is working better than the Apple version I used from developer.apple.com a few months ago!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex Blewitt:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that the macosforge ZFS implementation is working better than the Apple version I used from developer.apple.com a few months ago!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@luvbsd:

Yes, I&#039;m sure FreeBSD 7.0&#039;s ZFS implementation is very capable, but when I looked at the list of &#039;incomplete/in progress&#039; items a month or so ago, I decided to take the ZFS implementation which I thought would be likely to give me the least trouble and, rightly or wrongly, finally decided on Solaris. I just wanted to ensure, as much as possible, to avoid &#039;bleeding edge&#039; for the moment :)

For backing up 2TB of data on your fileserver, from my experience, you could build a separate backup box for around 600 euros: 300 euros for the system unit and 300 euros for the disks (no redundancy). E.g. Antec NSK6580 case + 430W PSU, Asus M2N-E motherboard, 2GB Kingston non-ECC DDR2 800 RAM, AMD BE-2350 or cheaper processor, 3 disks: WD7500AAKS, giving ~2TB non-redundant backup storage. Or, of course, if you have space, you could just chuck some more drives in your existing case and create a new backup pool :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@luvbsd:</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m sure FreeBSD 7.0&#8217;s ZFS implementation is very capable, but when I looked at the list of &#8216;incomplete/in progress&#8217; items a month or so ago, I decided to take the ZFS implementation which I thought would be likely to give me the least trouble and, rightly or wrongly, finally decided on Solaris. I just wanted to ensure, as much as possible, to avoid &#8216;bleeding edge&#8217; for the moment <img src='http://breden.org.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For backing up 2TB of data on your fileserver, from my experience, you could build a separate backup box for around 600 euros: 300 euros for the system unit and 300 euros for the disks (no redundancy). E.g. Antec NSK6580 case + 430W PSU, Asus M2N-E motherboard, 2GB Kingston non-ECC DDR2 800 RAM, AMD BE-2350 or cheaper processor, 3 disks: WD7500AAKS, giving ~2TB non-redundant backup storage. Or, of course, if you have space, you could just chuck some more drives in your existing case and create a new backup pool <img src='http://breden.org.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex Blewitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Blewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve downloaded the latest ZFS stuff from the macosforge project. The versions available from developer.apple.com are very out of date and (as noted) buggy as hell. However, the macosforge ones are much more recent and I&#039;ve found them to be OK since the latest (102A) revision came out. 

I gather there are some issues relating to spotlight on the ZFS drive, and you don&#039;t get some free stuff like zfs share. Also, the Mac systems don&#039;t use NFS4 so you lose the extended attribute stuff if you&#039;re sharing via NFS (though AFP should be OK).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve downloaded the latest ZFS stuff from the macosforge project. The versions available from developer.apple.com are very out of date and (as noted) buggy as hell. However, the macosforge ones are much more recent and I&#8217;ve found them to be OK since the latest (102A) revision came out. </p>
<p>I gather there are some issues relating to spotlight on the ZFS drive, and you don&#8217;t get some free stuff like zfs share. Also, the Mac systems don&#8217;t use NFS4 so you lose the extended attribute stuff if you&#8217;re sharing via NFS (though AFP should be OK).</p>
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		<title>By: luvbsd</title>
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		<dc:creator>luvbsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE now includes ZFS in the base system.

There seems to be not a whole lot of missing features other than ACL&#039;s (ZFS uses WinXP/NT and NFS4 style ACLs instead of POSIX ... not sure why) and out of the box iSCSI target sharing. You can still use FreeBSD&#039;s version of iSCSI target to share a ZFS pool and/or SAMBA or NFS.

While the current Solaris version is 9 something FreeBSD &quot;production&quot; version is 6 ...  but freebsd&#039;s CURRENT branch is pretty much up to date.  Anyway I&#039;ve been storing movies, pics, music on FreeBSD ZFS for over a year without incident.  The box has over 2TB of storage and I don&#039;t know when I&#039;ll ever back it up :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE now includes ZFS in the base system.</p>
<p>There seems to be not a whole lot of missing features other than ACL&#8217;s (ZFS uses WinXP/NT and NFS4 style ACLs instead of POSIX &#8230; not sure why) and out of the box iSCSI target sharing. You can still use FreeBSD&#8217;s version of iSCSI target to share a ZFS pool and/or SAMBA or NFS.</p>
<p>While the current Solaris version is 9 something FreeBSD &#8220;production&#8221; version is 6 &#8230;  but freebsd&#8217;s CURRENT branch is pretty much up to date.  Anyway I&#8217;ve been storing movies, pics, music on FreeBSD ZFS for over a year without incident.  The box has over 2TB of storage and I don&#8217;t know when I&#8217;ll ever back it up <img src='http://breden.org.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony. I tried the ZFS r/w version available from developer.apple.com that was available in December -- it was a free account I used to get it. I slapped a couple of old SATA drives in the Mac Pro case and did a &#039;zpool create tank mirror disk1 disk2&#039; command to setup a mirror to play around with. It gave a couple of kernel panics during that time writing to the pool, so I decided to get some &#039;real&#039; ZFS in Solaris :) I&#039;ve been running ZFS on Solaris now for 2 months -- rock solid and dependable. As CIFS and iSCSI support are still a bit new, I think there are a couple of minor inconveniences here and there, but on the whole, it works very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony. I tried the ZFS r/w version available from developer.apple.com that was available in December &#8212; it was a free account I used to get it. I slapped a couple of old SATA drives in the Mac Pro case and did a &#8216;zpool create tank mirror disk1 disk2&#8242; command to setup a mirror to play around with. It gave a couple of kernel panics during that time writing to the pool, so I decided to get some &#8216;real&#8217; ZFS in Solaris <img src='http://breden.org.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve been running ZFS on Solaris now for 2 months &#8212; rock solid and dependable. As CIFS and iSCSI support are still a bit new, I think there are a couple of minor inconveniences here and there, but on the whole, it works very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon.  Have you tried the ZFS for Mac OS that&#039;s over at macosforge.org?  http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/zfs/wiki/downloads

I&#039;m on the same search for setting up ZFS for my home as you are.  I&#039;ve used the ZFS for Mac enough to verify that it works, but not to the point of stress-testing it with any sort of home production usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon.  Have you tried the ZFS for Mac OS that&#8217;s over at macosforge.org?  <a href="http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/zfs/wiki/downloads" rel="nofollow">http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/zfs/wiki/downloads</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the same search for setting up ZFS for my home as you are.  I&#8217;ve used the ZFS for Mac enough to verify that it works, but not to the point of stress-testing it with any sort of home production usage.</p>
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